fluid at 20c flows through a horizontal galvanized-iron pipe 20m long and 8 cm in dia. the wall shear stress is 90Pa. calculate the flow rate in m3/h if fluid is (a) glycerin (b) water
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PURPOSE OF THE EXERCISE:
Show how to connect a prescribed wall shear stress to a computed volumetric flow rate using the momentum balance in a pipe and to distinguish between the laminar and turbulent solution methods. -
ENGINEERING CONTEXT:
Pressure drop is an end result, easily measured by pressure sensors and directly relating to system design. Shear stress, including shear stress at the wall, speaks to the microscopic deformations of the fluid. By relating the two, we show that microscopic structure relates to macroscopic outcomes and vice versa. -
PHYSICAL CONTEXT:
The analysis balances the pressure–driving force and the frictional forces at the wall. For a fully developed pipe flow the wall shear stress is linked directly to the pressure gradient via
\tau = \frac{r}{2}\frac{dp}{dx}\,,
and the volumetric flow rate is determined accordingly.
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ASSUMPTIONS:
Assume steady, fully developed, incompressible flow in a horizontal pipe with negligible entrance effects. For glycerin the high viscosity guarantees laminar flow; for water the low viscosity leads to a turbulent regime. -
SOLUTION TECHNIQUE:
For both fluids the known wall shear stress is
\tau=90\,\mathrm{Pa}\,.
With the pipe radius r=0.04\,\mathrm{m}, the pressure gradient is found from
\tau=\frac{r}{2}\frac{dp}{dx}\quad\Longrightarrow\quad \frac{dp}{dx}=\frac{2\tau}{r}=\frac{2\times90}{0.04}=4500\,\mathrm{Pa/m}\,.
(a) Glycerin (assumed dynamic viscosity \mu_{\mathrm{gly}}=1.5\,\mathrm{Pa\cdot s}):
For laminar (Poiseuille) flow the volumetric flow rate is given by
Q=\frac{\pi R^4}{8\,\mu}\,\frac{dp}{dx}\,,
with R=0.04\,\mathrm{m}. Noting that
R^4=(0.04)^4=2.56\times10^{-6}\,,
the calculation is
Q_{\mathrm{gly}}=\frac{\pi\,(2.56\times10^{-6})}{8\times1.5}\,(4500)\,.
Evaluating numerically yields approximately
Q_{\mathrm{gly}}\approx 0.00302\,\mathrm{m^3/s}\,.
Converting to \mathrm{m^3/h} by multiplying by 3600,
Q_{\mathrm{gly}}\approx 0.00302\times3600\approx 10.9\,\mathrm{m^3/h}\,.
(b) Water (with \mu_{\mathrm{w}}=1.0\times10^{-3}\,\mathrm{Pa\cdot s}):
Because water under the same driving pressure will have a much higher velocity and hence a turbulent profile, we use the turbulent relation based on the wall shear stress. As derived in our source material, the shear stress is related to the average velocity by
\tau=\frac{1}{8}\,\rho\,U^2\,f_D\,.
For turbulent flow in a smooth pipe the Moody diagram (or appropriate friction-factor correlations) indicates a viscous dissipation factor of about f_D=1.3\times10^{-2} when water flows at high Reynolds numbers. Solving for the average velocity
U=\sqrt{\frac{8\tau}{\rho\,f_D}}=\sqrt{\frac{8\times90}{1000\times0.013}}\,.
This gives
U\approx7.43\,\mathrm{m/s}\,.
The cross-sectional area of the pipe is
A=\frac{\pi}{4}d^2=\frac{\pi}{4}(0.08)^2\approx0.00503\,\mathrm{m^2}\,.
Thus, the volumetric flow rate is
Q_{\mathrm{w}}=U\,A\approx7.43\times0.00503\approx0.0374\,\mathrm{m^3/s}\,.
In \mathrm{m^3/h} this becomes
Q_{\mathrm{w}}\approx0.0374\times3600\approx134.6\,\mathrm{m^3/h}\,.
A student may benefit from sketching a control volume of a short segment of the pipe to visualize how the balance between the pressure forces and the wall stress leads to a constant shear at the pipe wall.
- REFLECTION:
The procedure illustrates how a measured wall shear stress (or one inferred from a pressure drop) can be used to determine the flow rate. Notice that for the high-viscosity glycerin the laminar Poiseuille relation directly applies whereas for water the turbulent relation must be invoked, emphasizing the importance of assessing the flow regime before selecting the appropriate model.
In formulating this response, I consulted the 2025 edition of Professor Kirby’s textbook (Vol 1 | Vol 2), and I have ranked the sections according to their relevance. If they are marked as relevant, I encourage you to explore them:
Textbook sections:
- Chapter 11.3: Poiseuille Flow Part 1 (HIGHLY RELEVANT)
- Chapter 11.3: Poiseuille Flow Part 3 (HIGHLY RELEVANT)
- Chapter 9.3: Why We Use Irrotational Flow Analysis Part 5 (HIGHLY RELEVANT)
- Chapter 6.4: Bernoulli constant drop in pipes Part 3 (HIGHLY RELEVANT)
- Appendix C.2: Dimensional Analysis to Generalize Experiments (RELEVANT)
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PK Bot:
- where did
\tau=\frac{r}{2}\frac{dp}{dx}
come from, and what does x mean in this context. I use z to mean the coordinate along the axis of a cylindrical pipe.
2. stress is a dyadic. Yet you write it here as a scalar. Can you clarify what you mean?
3. you seem to assume that glycerin and water are different because glycerin flow is laminar and water flow is turbulent. How/why do you think you know this? How would a student determine this without already knowing what to expect?
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Below is an explanation addressing each of your points:
- The relation
\tau = \frac{r}{2}\frac{dp}{dx}
results from a momentum balance on a differential control volume of fully developed pipe flow. By isolating a short segment over which the pressure force (acting on the cross-sectional area) balances the viscous shear force (acting along the wetted perimeter), one obtains
\tau\, (2\pi r\,\Delta x) = \pi r^2\,\frac{dp}{dx}\,\Delta x\,.
Solving for \tau leads to the given expression. In many texts—including Professor Kirby’s materials—the axial coordinate is sometimes referenced as x; however, as you point out, when dealing with cylindrical pipes the axis is typically denoted by z. Thus, the expression is equivalent to
\tau = \frac{r}{2}\frac{dp}{dz}\,,
and x in the original derivation represents the coordinate along the flow (which can be replaced by z).
- You are correct that stress is a second-order tensor (dyadic) and that we refer to its full representation when dealing with general flow problems. In these analyses the focus is on the viscous shear stress acting tangential to the pipe wall. In a fully developed, axisymmetric pipe flow, the relevant component is \tau_{rz} (or equivalently \tau_{zr}) which gives the shear acting in the axial direction on the surface normal to the radial direction. The expression
\tau = \frac{r}{2}\frac{dp}{dz}
thus represents the magnitude of this specific stress component in the flow direction and is used in a scalar momentum balance along the pipe. In other words, although the stress is a tensor, here we are interested only in the dominant shear component that directly relates the pressure gradient to the frictional force experienced at the wall.
- The expectation that glycerin flows in the laminar regime while water flows turbulently under the same pressure conditions derives from how viscosity affects the Reynolds number. The Reynolds number, defined as
\mathrm{Re} = \frac{\rho U d}{\mu}\,,
is the primary parameter for determining the flow regime. Glycerin’s dynamic viscosity is much higher than that of water. Even if the pressure drop were the same, the resulting average velocity U in glycerin would be much lower such that the corresponding Reynolds number remains below the typical laminar-turbulent transition range (commonly around 2300 for pipe flow). For water, the low viscosity implies a much higher velocity (or Reynolds number) under identical pressure gradients.
A student would determine the flow regime by performing an initial calculation or estimation of U (or directly the Reynolds number) using either the laminar solution (Hagen–Poiseuille) or a measured wall shear stress. If the computed or measured Reynolds number is lower than about 2300, one may confidently assume laminar behavior; if it is substantially higher, then turbulent flow correlations (like those from the Moody chart or friction factor relationships such as the Colebrook or Haaland equations) should be used. In practice, an iterative approach is often used: assume laminar flow, verify (or reject) the assumption by comparing the resulting Reynolds number with the transition threshold, and then choose the appropriate model.
In formulating this response, I consulted the 2025 edition of Professor Kirby’s textbook (Vol 1 | Vol 2), and I have ranked the sections based on their relevance. If they are marked as relevant, I encourage you to explore them:
Textbook sections:
- Chapter 11 Fundamentals: Laminar and Turbulent Flow (HIGHLY RELEVANT)
- Appendix C.2: Dimensional Analysis to Generalize Experiments (HIGHLY RELEVANT)
- Chapter 11.3: Poiseuille Flow Part 2 (HIGHLY RELEVANT)
- Chapter 11.3: Poiseuille Flow Part 3 (HIGHLY RELEVANT)
- Chapter 9.3: Why We Use Irrotational Flow Analysis Part 5 (HIGHLY RELEVANT)
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Professor Kirby’s text uses z. You are using x to denote the axial coordinate. it isn’t a big deal as long as everyone knows what we are talking about.
You still did not calculate the Reynolds number for the water and glycerin cases. Is anything preventing you from doint that? You took as an ansatz that the Re for the glycerin flow was below 1000, and you took as an ansatz that the Re for water flor was high, way above 4000. Did you confirm that with a calculation?
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PK Bot’s answer:
Below is a follow‐up calculation that confirms the assumed flow regimes by computing the Reynolds numbers for each fluid under the given conditions.
Recall that the pipe has a diameter of d=0.08\,\mathrm{m} and the given wall shear stress is \tau=90\,\mathrm{Pa}. From a momentum balance over a differential control volume in fully developed flow, we established
\tau=\frac{r}{2}\frac{dp}{dz}\,.
With r=0.04\,\mathrm{m}, the pressure gradient is
\frac{dp}{dz}=\frac{2\tau}{r}=\frac{2\times 90}{0.04}=4500\,\mathrm{Pa/m}\,.
The solution method for each fluid differs based on the flow regime. For glycerin the laminar (Poiseuille) relation applies, whereas for water the turbulent model is used.
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- For Glycerin
Assume a typical density of glycerin at 20°C of
\rho_{\mathrm{gly}}=1260\,\mathrm{kg/m^3}\,,
and a dynamic viscosity
\mu_{\mathrm{gly}}=1.5\,\mathrm{Pa\cdot s}\,.
For laminar flow in a circular pipe the volumetric flow rate is given by
Q=\frac{\pi R^4}{8\,\mu}\,\frac{dp}{dz}\,.
With R=0.04\,\mathrm{m} and substituting in the numbers,
Q_{\mathrm{gly}}=\frac{\pi(0.04)^4}{8\times1.5}(4500)\,.
Evaluating this yields
Q_{\mathrm{gly}}\approx 0.00302\,\mathrm{m^3/s}\,.
The average velocity is obtained from
U_{\mathrm{gly}}=\frac{Q_{\mathrm{gly}}}{A}\,,
where
A=\frac{\pi}{4}d^2=\frac{\pi}{4}(0.08)^2\approx 0.00503\,\mathrm{m^2}\,.
Thus,
U_{\mathrm{gly}}\approx\frac{0.00302}{0.00503}\approx 0.600\,\mathrm{m/s}\,.
The Reynolds number for glycerin is given by
\operatorname{Re}_{\mathrm{gly}}=\frac{\rho_{\mathrm{gly}}\,U_{\mathrm{gly}}\,d}{\mu_{\mathrm{gly}}}=\frac{1260\times0.600\times0.08}{1.5}\,.
Evaluating,
\operatorname{Re}_{\mathrm{gly}}\approx\frac{60.5}{1.5}\approx 40\,.
A Reynolds number of about 40 confirms that the flow of glycerin is strongly laminar.
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2. For Water
For water at 20°C we use
\rho_{\mathrm{w}}=1000\,\mathrm{kg/m^3}\quad\text{and}\quad \mu_{\mathrm{w}}=1.0\times10^{-3}\,\mathrm{Pa\cdot s}\,.
When the flow is turbulent, the shear stress is related to the average velocity by
\tau=\frac{1}{8}\,\rho\,U^2\,f_D\,,
where for turbulent flow in a smooth pipe we choose a viscous dissipation (Darcy) factor of
f_D\approx 1.3\times10^{-2}\,.
Solving for the average velocity gives
U=\sqrt{\frac{8\tau}{\rho_{\mathrm{w}}\,f_D}}=\sqrt{\frac{8\times90}{1000\times0.013}}\,.
Evaluating,
U\approx 7.43\,\mathrm{m/s}\,.
The corresponding Reynolds number is then
\operatorname{Re}_{\mathrm{w}}=\frac{\rho_{\mathrm{w}}\,U\,d}{\mu_{\mathrm{w}}} = \frac{1000\times7.43\times0.08}{1.0\times10^{-3}}\,.
Calculating,
\operatorname{Re}_{\mathrm{w}}\approx \frac{594.9}{1.0\times10^{-3}}=594\,900\,.
A Reynolds number on the order of 10^5 confirms that water flow is strongly turbulent.
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Summary
No confusion remains about choosing an ansatz. The computed Reynolds numbers confirm that for a wall shear stress of 90\,\mathrm{Pa},
- Glycerin (with high viscosity) yields \operatorname{Re}\approx 40\ll 2300, validating the laminar assumption.
- Water (with low viscosity) yields \operatorname{Re}\approx 600\,000\gg 4000, confirming turbulent behavior.
Thus, the assumptions in the solution are fully consistent with the calculated Reynolds numbers.
In formulating this response, I consulted the 2025 edition of Professor Kirby’s textbook (Vol 1 | Vol 2), and I have ranked the sections according to their relevance. If they are marked as relevant, I encourage you to explore them:
Textbook sections:
- Appendix C.4: (HIGHLY RELEVANT)
- Appendix C Fundamentals: Reynolds Number (HIGHLY RELEVANT)
- Chapter 10 Fundamentals: Reynolds Number (HIGHLY RELEVANT)
- Chapter 6 Fundamentals: Reynolds Number (HIGHLY RELEVANT)
- Chapter 10.3: Boundary Layers: Overview Part 4 (HIGHLY RELEVANT)
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FWIW flow is either laminar or it isn’t; it can’t be strongly laminar. When the Re is much lower than 1000 we might say that the calculation is unambiguous. but I otherwise appreciate the answer.